This is the next step ... a step forward
Greetings from the Nokia party here in Barcelona. I'm blogging on my N900 which really makes me the geek of the party!
MeeGo is the next step fro Maemo. Natural evolution. Gets us much wider adoption. So it is not at all about forgetting Maemo. It is about merging most significant open source mobile projects together.
Nokia roadmap will be accelerated. Maemo6 plans have not changed. We are workingd days and nights to get it out.It will be Qt based and MeeGo compatible.
We will absolutely not forget N900 users and developers. If you are a developer, develop on N900 with Qt and your apps will run on MeeGo devices. If you are an N900 owner (or an owner wannabee) this is all good for you. All the MeeGo and Qt momentum will give you many more interesting applications to run on N900. Now and in the future.
posted by Ari Jaaksi at 12:26 PM
48 Comments:
Im glad you made an effort to reassure the maemo community, and n900 users.
Having experienced the quick obsolescence of the n810, and as new n900 owner, the sudden change in direction and choice to integrate with mobilin with little information was unsettling and left me wondering if I made the wrong choice to go with an n900.
I hope that the execution of this integration will be more thoughtfully planned than the initial announcement, which from what I can tell is getting a lot of backlash from the maemo community.
Im afraid. Nokia forget the n8x0 users and never implement the 3d driver accelerations. I was planning buy a N900, but now the future is uncertain. Nokia dont care about the legacy devices this is sad.
Your comments are much appreciated. I'm an N900 owner. Not a developer. I just recently purchased the device, like it a lot, and want to continue using it, and see its potential develop -- rather than feel that it is obsolete already.
Exciting and scary at the same time... at least for some of the maemo.org leadership. Hopefully there's a place for us in MeeGo. At least I'll try to make one for myself. ;)
As I understand, n900 will be a device capable of running applications for new os, but wont get maemo6/meeos upgrade?
MeeGo is the next step fro Maemo. Natural evolution. Gets us much wider adoption. So it is not at all about forgetting Maemo.
OK, but... No Debian, and no Hildon. What parts of Maemo will live on in MeeGo? Kind of seems like you're abandoning most of what made Maemo what it was. I'm not saying MeeGo can't be a worthy successor, it just seems like Maemo died today. If MeeGo was Debian-based, I would be less worried and more certain of my continued involvement.
So, we will be able to update the N900 to MeeGo or not ?. I just bought this phone 3 weeks ago and im feeling left out already... As usual with Nokia and legacy devices...
but it also means walking away from Debian. This is real dissapointmerd and IMHO stupid decision.
I bought n900 one month ago and now can't upgrade to meego? sucks....
I'm not sure how much you can say in this regard, but I am curious: When you talk about "platform" vs "OS", and say that Maemo 6 is "an instance" of MeeGo, are you making a distinction? What it sounds like to me is that MeeGo will be the fully Open Source base, with variants/derivatives for different devices (and vendors?), which, I suppose, could include proprietary code and device-specific features as well. Is that at all close to the target?
I fully applaud your efforts, but like others, I'm curious about device obsolescence. If MeeGo is a platform on which to build a certain class of Operating Systems (a meta-distribution, if you will), then that would have implications as to (back-)portability.
In any case, this looks really exciting, and I wish the Maemo and Moblin teams good luck in this endeavour!
So prove it to us. Right now it feels like the rug is being pulled out from under us, the platform some of us have spent considerable time and money on is being changed and re-architected before our very eyes.
Coupled with the N900's uncertain future, I will certainly think twice before buying the next Maemo/Meego device.
Why not just say "N900 will/won't run an official MeeGo OS from Nokia"?
Is this confusion really beneficial?
MeeGo is the next step fro Maemo. Natural evolution.
What are you, a marketing droid? Nokia tried building their own distribution - Maemo. Evidently it hasn't worked out, so they are killing it. Instead they will porting Qt and their UI to Molbin, an RPM based distribution. For everybody who was a fan of the distribution, Maemo, it is a very sad day. For everyone who bought an N900 because it was part of the enormous Debian package ecosystem, the dream has ended.
Most will not consider the move to an RPM based system "Natural Evolution". It is insulting to see you say it is. It may be a "next step" for Nokia, but there is no next step for Maemo. It is extinct.
Please, is it so hard to make a clear statement like "The N900 can be upgraded to MeeGo"/"The N900 can't be upgraded to MeeGo but Apps will be compatible"/"Nokia hasn't decided yet". Buyers of the N900 are early adopters, enthusiasts and really Nokia's most important sales force. Having them face a strategy that leaves an impression of inconsistency/constant uncertainty probably has more negative impact than some at Nokia realize.
http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=527251&postcount=87
One step forward few steps back.
Only two questions:
1. Are you realy shure that full development phase will be finished in few monthes? I'm not shure. So wee will have new product that has no capabilities with Maemo expirenced packages. No software - no sales.
2. How soon the existing software packages will be available for MeeGo if you changing the packaging? First you should port most popular libraries and wait. Wait for a long-long time...
Calm down guys. Changing packaging doesn't mean dropping Maemo. It is just packaging ...
Maemo was a Nokia internal distro only. Really. MeeGo distro will be built in the open. And activly supported for others to use ... unlike Maemo. This is the opennes you were always asked.
For the Maemo community members ... this is a good news. We really need you now! This is the next step.
N900 is a good purchase. MeeGo will give it much more applications to run as explained.
Will there be a full MeeGo port on N900? I'm pretty sure there will be a MeeGo port on N900 for those who wanna play with it. There is also an Andoid, Mac, ..and god knows what ports available. It is an open devivice. N900 will run a lot of MeeGo apps ... and developers and users will fully utilize it.
There are no product or other software announcements from Nokia at the moment. We will keep you posted on the development.
N900 is open. MeeGo will be developed in open. Now use the openness, please!
Why not just join Fedora instead of starting a new project?
Belive me, it will not work. I'm working in one of bigest telecom companies whos management made same mistake.
Ari: in other words: "feel free to hack MeeGo to make it work on N900 but we will not do anything in that direction" or rather "we will add N900 to the list of MeeGo supported devices"?
Ari: it isn't only packaging.
many blogs, mailing lists and announcement comments ask about the rationale for dropping Debian package format. It seems a controversial choice and you should probably say something about it. Why not avoid speculations (politics choice, etc...) ?
By the way, Maemo6/Harmattan still uses .deb, why do we need to change ?
Package less, create more :)
What a mess, so lets see, Nokia have active development on at least 4 different forks atm. Symbian, Maemo 5, Maemo 6 and MeeGo. You've already taken heat for leaving legacy devices behind and now you're doing it again. N800 series left on Maemo 4, N900 series on Maemo 5, next N series on Maemo 6, and then the one after that on MeeGo? Nokia in some form will either have to make a clear case for developers how this will benefit them in any way, I have a feeling the development community won't be following your every whim.
No matter what kind of compatibility there's between the different linux flavors it not only looks really poor from a consumer standpoint, it must be a freaking mess and humongous waste of internal resources at Nokia as well.
I realize this isn't your choice, but I have a feeling someone very high up at Nokia is totally clueless. I for one know that I won't test & maintain apps for 4 different target platforms even if they happen to share GUI framework.
N900 is the last Nokia device for me. I am very disappointed after paying 600 euros to be a tester.
N900 start point: 09 Dec. N900 lost official Nokia support two month later....
Last nokia for me too after five. Ari, you said to maemo developers "We really need you now! This is the next step".
Ok. Who'll think about Maemo 5 and N900? Not Nokia, not the community that you want in Meego. Nobody. They are dead after only two month. Inacceptable!
Bye Nokia. I'll never give you again my money!
Same bitter feeling. Was going to do a N900 presentation in March at my local user group together with Nokia, will cancel as I don't feel comfortable recommending a device and system that is obsolete. Besides going away from the reason I bought the phone (2 actually) in the first place is a huge disappointment. I should have bought an Android phone (already have a N810 as well).
Ari: Changing packaging doesn't mean dropping Maemo. It is just packaging ...
Um, no, it's not. You're dropping the entire Debian architecture, which is more than just a packaging system.
Ari: For the Maemo community members ... this is a good news. We really need you now! This is the next step.
This is terrible news for anyone who got involved with Maemo because they like Debian's architecture and believe in the distro's stated goals/ideals. You really think switching distros after 5 years is "natural evolution" for Maemo? Were it not for that, this announcement would have been met with enthusiasm instead of dejected disbelief. From the look of things on Talk, #maemo, #meego, and elsewhere, it seems like you may have alienated a majority of your developer community. We believed in what you guys were doing, and now you're throwing it all away. I'm not even angry... just... sad.
If the MeeGo Steering Group actually cares about what the community wants, they'll reconsider and stick with Debian. If not, oh well, it was fun while it lasted.
Just sad. As stated earlier dropping Debian is HUGE. Because there was a vision... The community saw this vision with Debian but now it's gone. I understand at the end of the day Nokia is a company and a company looks out for its investors and to branch out... This move makes SENSE from a business standpoint but as a user/Maemo Community member it makes no sense. An attempt to go mainstream for any company normally alienates their core/original users/supporters. It sucks for us but could be beneficial for Nokia and future netbook/mobiles.
You sound to me like a spin doctor
"step forward"
"next step"
"good news"
I personally care more for hard facts than some feel-good talk.
As you can see from the previous responses a lot of people don't see it this way.
Dropping the Debian architecture is a pretty major decision which I clearly don't see as a step forward.
For some people it wasn't all about applications and toolkits, but about the underlying system.
I bought my N900 few days ago, I don't think there's a device on the market with its potensials. As a nokia owner, after this meego announcement, I would only like Nokia to say to all N900 users these simple words: "MeeGo will run on N900, don't worry!". This is it, it's not difficult to say but it means a lot for us all. Thx...
@paoloeffe They've all but confirmed that it will be up to the community to make MeeGo run on N900. To those of us who have been using Maemo since the early days, this situation is all too familiar. Ari, Quim, and everyone who's owned a 770 or N8x0 knows it: when Nokia says they don't know if the next OS will run on the current hardware, they mean that it won't unless the community back-ports it. 'Cause you know those landfills won't fill themselves. Please prove me wrong, Ari.
will return my newly bought n900 due to this annoucement, there is no way devs will work on n900 maemo5 with this annoucement, why waste time and effort ? most will wait for this new OS now before committing.
and wait for the community to port meego ? no thanks
will wait for a decent andriod phone with physical keyboard. shouldnt be too long now. at least google knows enougn not to shaft customers like this
Thanks nokia, and goodbye,
After 9 Nokia phones and 15 years using Nokia, the N900 is the latest phone that I buy from Nokia. Now my money will go to another manufacturer.
I do not get this. Is there any phone phere you can download a software used in a newer phone?
phone hardware is developing so fast. you are asking for a moon!
Go to meego mailing list. Here is a cood comment from there.And a lot of more:
Why are so many wine like kids about rpm vs dpkg I dont see any reason rpm should be less better than dpkg!? It may has been so for long time ago but not now!
I am a ubuntu user (dpkg) but that doesnt mean ubuntu is better than for example fedora (rpm based)
I really dont understand why people is wining so mush about this IMHO little "problem"?
Also the same thing with Gtk vs QT? As a old GTK+ application coder I see there is drawbacks with this toolkit and now I prefer to use QT both at my work and my hobbyprojects cause it is a fact: QT is already more multiplatform than Gtk+ will ever be. Also it make GUI development go faster than Gtk+. So to med nokia and Intel strategy is right.
And infact even if people wining here MeeGo seems to be the most open embedded project soo far :-)
Regards
Mikael
I do not get this. Is there any phone phere you can download a software used in a newer phone?
Funny you should ask... I believe the original iPhone is still receiving the latest software updates from Apple more than 2.5 years after its release. Even though the old hardware can't support a few of the features in the new OS, Apple still hasn't abandoned their early adopters. Android phones have also received major software updates, even after the release of better hardware. Even when Apple eventually does release an iPhone OS that can't be installed on old hardware, they will most-likely maintain app-compatibility with the old OS.
Do you think Apple would have 150,000 apps for their platform if they broke all the existing packages every time they release new hardware? Nokia has made a tradition breaking app compatibility with every major Maemo release. There is no technical justification for this; they simply want to save on development costs and force everyone to buy new hardware. As it turns out, it looks like this abandonment strategy actually results in fewer sales. Who would have guessed?
Also, in case you hadn't noticed, people aren't just pissed about Nokia abandoning a device after less than 6 months, it's also the sudden/unwarranted change of underlying architecture.
Why are so many wine like kids about rpm vs dpkg I dont see any reason rpm should be less better than dpkg!?
As numerous people have already pointed out, this is about more than just package management, it's also about underlying architecture and upstream compatibility.
I really dont understand why people is wining so mush about this IMHO little "problem"?
If you don't understand either side of the debate, perhaps you shouldn't be getting involved.
i got my phone from a month and a half,and i thought its the first nokia device that will really be backed,just like apple and androids are backin their old and new phones. from a month and a half till now,im still stuck with the unfinished maemo 5, and its lack of app, i wasnt mad because i thought in time apps will come and navigation also.it was all good till i read about maemo 6/meego, which looks like it wont be on nokia n900, so it looks like i spent 630$ on a phone that will be abandoned in a few months. Thank you Nokia such a way to treat ur customers. i have been a customer since 2001, but if nokia doesnt get meego on nokia n900, this will be my last phone, and another company such as Apple which does care about its customer will be gettin my money.
Hi Ari
Having watched and read the MeeGo announcements, I just want to take this opportunity to thank you personally for having steered maemo so wisely all these years. Under maemo, Nokia has done so many great things for open source, beginning with contributing lots of generally useful code like gstreamer etc, pushing things upstream, pushing the project to the Linux Foundation, making Qt LGPL... The list is just looong.
Thank you
the only acceptable choice is to make maemo6(or meego or how the hell they wanna name it) to be released at this time for N900 and NOT announce the replacement of N900.
@Ari:
PLEASE make sure that MeeGo contains everything to let it run on the N900 and its predecessors.
In Maemo, to much is properiatery to have a decent system.
Free our phones and other devices! On my PC, i can install what i want and can buy hardware only every five years but use up to date software anyway.
I was glad to see Android come around, but now I have an Her with 1.5 Version, just because they need to port Sense. This is crap.
Make sure that vanilla MeeGo is usable, so that all devices can bee upgraded quick and receive security updates.
Thanks in advance!
YES! N900 without MeeGo is a big step forward... from a cliff's edge.
je vous remercie pour ce partage d'un article de Nice.
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Coupled with the N900's uncertain future, I will certainly think twice before buying the next Maemo/Meego device.
I was in Spain when this Nokia party took place and I really wanted to go and see Nokia products which I love so much, but I could not go due to work!
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Please, is it so hard to make a clear statement like "The N900 can be upgraded to MeeGo"/"The N900 can't be upgraded to MeeGo but Apps will be compatible"/"Nokia hasn't decided yet". Buyers of the N900 are early adopters, enthusiasts and really Nokia's most important sales force. Having them face a strategy that leaves an impression of inconsistency/constant uncertainty probably has more negative impact than some at Nokia realize.
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