You CAN make a difference!
We have ambitious goals. We will make webOS a winning mobile operating system. We will create an exciting ecosystem with developers and other partners. We are very committed, we have products in the pipeline, and we do not hesitate. We control our own destiny, and that is what matters in life. Right?
We’ll have a cool tablet, world’s smallest smartphone, a big screen workhorse smartphone, plans for printers and PCs. Did you see how they work together? We have a clear developer focus with Enyo, Ares, and PDK. Have you tried them already? I’d say this is a pretty good demonstration about how serious we are. WebOS will go to places, and HP is very dedicated to make this happen. For partners, developers, and new employees; this is the time to join the ride.
On another note, I worry about my old friends a lot. I’m sad to see they no longer trust they can make a difference. They’ve given up and given away their passion. Sorry, that ain’t gonna work. You must believe in yourself and what you are up to, and you must believe you can change the world. That’s the only way I know. All the best, though.
So we’ve got many openings at HP in the webOS team. We need good C / C++ developers. We need good javascript guys. We need good HI people, testers, and architects. Now it’s the time to join. Where else are you going to have fun?
posted by Ari Jaaksi at 11:08 AM
52 Comments:
Any short term plans to have WebOS gadgets available here in Northern Europe? Really looking forward on writing apps to those devices :)
Ari, you always were my choice for CEO. HP got a good one. Any chance MeeGo and WebOS can tie up in the future, and maybe adopt Qt??
I totally agree with your opinion of our old friends. The Elopocalypse has landed, and I'm totally saddened. When we oust him, I'd love to have you back, old tiger.
Nokia for LIFE, Linux for life, and SCREW MSFT!!
We have ambitious goals. We will make webOS a winning mobile operating system.
Some points are missing there:
We don't keep promises. We don't inform developers in time.
Sorry Ari - but the WebOS faithful were lied to once too often.
BBC iPlayer - didn't happen.
Flash - didn't happen.
WebOS2 upgrade - not going to happen.
Who wants to work somewhere that treats its customers like that ? Especially the ones who take a gamble and adopt early and then promote and evangelise and support through all the hard times ?
When promises are made, they must be kept or you destroy your credibility.
Adopt Qt and all those developers betrayed by Nokia will turn to WebOS. This is a unique opportunity.
Dear Ari
Find a way to bring Qt to HP. It has far too much potential and momentum to be killed off like this. Do it for the sake of the entire Qt and Linux community.
You are our only hope.
Adopt Qt (I see it in the open source part components of WebOS) and Python and many dev will join you, as Nokia as just sidelined MeeGo.
Yep, HP should buy QT. WebOS got very interesting very fast due to current events. HP and WebOS could really take a good chunk of Nokia market shares now. Markets where Palm have been struggling at could open up if enough juice is applied.
My programming skills are suspect at best, but I'd love to work as a tester, I even have experience being a sprint pre user and all (joke, thats a joke)... Where do I apply?
Ohh.. and please make one with a different keyboard. Maybe one like the N900. All the Pre keyboards looks awful.
I just got an idea... why wouldn't HP buy the rights for Maemo. If that project had a big company who believed in it then it could go places. It is still a very strong platform even when it is more than a year the N900 was released.
I was utterly disappointed with the Nokia announcement today but finding out about HP's Veer gave me some new hope.
You say you will be needing developers. Any chance of opening a development center in Finland? A lot of talented people will soon be on the market.
To replace my N900, I need a device with a hardware keyboard in landscape mode. And for the software: in particular, a text terminal, zsh, perl and ssh (both client and server). I use my N900 mainly as a real computer (with the same kind of environment I have on my other computers), very rarely as a phone.
Is it really smaller than the X10 Mini?? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_Ericsson_Xperia_X10_Mini
It would be nice if HP was able to get Qt from Msokia's evil hands.
It certainly would be good for WebOS and its developers.
Certainly interesting products - ones that have become more interesting to me in the light of the announcement from Nokia today.
One thing though, kevin@mackey.name is a valid email address - even if the web developers at HP don't know that (I was trying to sign up to be notified about availability of the new products but it seems the .name domain is a new thing for some people - I've had this address for over 6 years).
Today is not the best day to disappoint me. I've had my fill for the moment.
Never considered it before, but now when Stephen Flop killed Nokia, it starting to look promesing to develop to .. please adopt QT! www.firestephenelop.com
please, get us a notification service up for getting notified via email asap when WebOS can be bought in Finland....
Hey Ari, where do i apply for the job openings in WebOS?
Cheers
I'm afraid NOK won't sell Qt for now, and HPQ won't buy it either... And part of Qt which has price tag is QtMobile - do you naively believe anyone will sell asset in market conditions where desktops and laptops/notebooks die out and mobiles still come in? Oh and QtMobile still needs a lot of work -- not axe cutting but still a lot of rough sandpaper work, not just polish.
While Veer is very cool and I like it a lot, Sony Ericsson x10 mini (android) is smaller and has 3.5" audio jack built in.
Thanks Ari. Too bad we got a little entangled with those all-important product releases that were always one step behind significant platform changes. You may remember this, it happened while you were in charge.
Wish you luck and success in your new endeavor.
Great words Ari. Good luck for webOS! It's my favourite runner up now that Nokia killed it's own babies.
http://blog.qt.nokia.com/2011/02/12/nokia-new-strategic-direction-what-is-the-future-for-qt/
Have a look at look at the frustration of the Qt developers - they could be all yours. Act smart now.
@marshalla99 I do have Flash and webOS 2.0 since October last year. In my Pre 2. So they actually did happen. Not the update and thats correct. But anyone can already buy a webOS 2.0 device (yes, with Flash) in almost any carrier and country that was already previously selling Palm Pres an Pixis: Europe unlocked, USA: AT&T, Verizon...
So the whole problem is the fact of being jailed in carriers like Sprint. I have had a Pre 2 for what feels ages now.
What if none of the new devices announced this week is launching in Sprint? It is as if they never existed?.
And I doubt Ari had had any time or was in a role to have any input in that decision anyway...
"Think beyond": Team up with Intel and pick up Qt (fork it if necessary) and get as many trolls on board as possible.
Could your team pls. integrate native Qt support besides SDL? SDL is nice but Qt is better! Pretty please!! :)
I find your post ironic, considering that you are the one who put your "friends" in this situation by being the main responsible for Meego's delays. I can only hope you'll have the same impact at Palm.
I have a better idea. Go work for Apple.
Hi Ari,
Why for 7 years heading Maemo at Nokia, your organization failed to create anything great?
And what do you think about Nokia-MS deal?
Jaaksi shipped Nokias first open source products, created the whole concept of mobile internet devices, shipped the best mobile computer and phone of its time, n900 and created the worlds biggest mobile open source community maemo.org. This all in spite of Nokia and Nokia never even gave him a chance to go beyond. He was the only person who at least tried. Don't you even suggest anything else.
WOW!
Is it possible to have your messages & calls to Touchpad from your Veer too, or just from Pre 3?
Exactly, he tried... And all products were quite average quality.
And then he escaped...
He failed...
I work in Nokia. Maemo had 10 people when started in 2004. They made 770, 800, 800 Wimax, 810, 900. And maemo.org. Nokia power point people forced maemo to move from gnome to qt an that caused huge disruption. Then they forced from maemo to meego. Now they force from meego to ms. Ari is OK.
If WebOS gains the ability to port programs over and as multi-platform as easily as it is for Maemo 5 it would be amazing. Just look at what Thomas Perl is doing with GPodder (which I use every day on my N900), especially the newer QML interface: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0b592zhepwQ
I know that WebOS has its own interface stack, but at very least bindings for Python (and at best, a port of Qt) and a huge portion of the Maemo/Were-Hoping-For-MeeGo dev community will see their upgrade path. As it is, knowing that the same person responsible for my cherished N900 is in charge of WebOS has my hopes up! Even if it ends up too removed from the normal Linux stack and thus not for me, I know that wonderful things happen when people work on something they truly believe in.
Prefer to go for Qt as there is open source part contains WebOS.
Hi Ari, I think you should open an R&D sub for HP/Palm/WebOS in Tampere/Helsinki in order to hire the Nokia engineers who are very likely to be laid off or will want to leave Nokia on their own account because of the Nokia Board's High Treason. If not an HP/Palm sub, then at least sponsor these talents to form their own start-ups in Finland to work with you. Best regards. The WebOS is impressive!
Ari is the inspiration, I can vouch for him. Been there myself. Don't blame Nokia's corporate failures onto the very person who struggled to overcome them, pushing through the internal bureaucracy and the corporate executive's quirks.
Agree with the posters who are sick of the unfulfilled promises that HP/Palm have made regarding webOS. Through multiple hardware problems (and multiple phones) I have stuck through with this platform, hoping that webOS 2.0 was the light at the end of the tunnel.
We know the old devices an run it, that's not even open to debate. Possible profile and upgrade path problems may exist, but if anyone could handle it it's HP.
But thanks to your stringing me along enough I will be free of HP's lies and move to Android for my next device. For that I thank you, and it will be nice to finally have access to the many apps that have been missing on webOS. 2.0 was going to fix that a bit, but now you expect me to buy another device to experience it and "hope" you don't lie to me again. Not gonna happen.
I was very hopeful about WebOS back in 2009. With all the good press, and the quality that I saw in my Pre and the UI, I really thought Palm had a shot to hit it out of the park. That didn't happen, obviously. Palm bungled their ad campaign -- badly -- and didn't step up their outreach to developers enough. So Palm basically died as a company and got consumed by HP.
When HP bought Palm, I had renewed hope. Here, I thought, was the opportunity that Palm, with its limited resources, lacked. I fully expected new phones, a new tablet, and a renewed push to get developers and users interested in the platform again. But I'm beginning to think that my hope was once again misplaced.
WebOS needs to compete with the likes of iOS and Android. That can't happen without a wider stable of apps and better hardware. From what I've seen so far, HP came up a little short in both counts on the 9th.
The Veer is just silly. Even if you believe that it is the smallest smartphone on the market, so what? Donald Bell, of CNET, called it a "choking hazard". I don't think anyone awards points for that, do they? Rubenstein tried to make it seem like HP was being cool for bucking the trend towards larger phones, but there's a reason larger phones are being pushed now: Larger phones are more useful. UI requirements mean that there's no point in going under a certain size. Compare iPod Touch sales to iPod Shuffle sales.
The Pre 3 is a step in the right direction. But there need to be apps. Not enough apps have surfaced for WebOS, and I'm not seeing that changing. HP had better get its butt in gear and develop more apps itself. Don't wait for 3rd party support that may not materialize soon. Put more and better software on there from the get go, and draw customers and developers to the devices. Please, please...don't let my many years of Palm support (since the Palm Pilot II) be in vain.
To all those commenting that HP should adopt Qt:
There is only one place it could fit into HP's webOS strategy. It could be a widget set and framework for PDK apps, and that's it. It's all in the name *web* ...OS. The whole point of the platform is that it is built upon HTML5, CSS and Javascript and the exact same app can run on all webOS devices without ever seeing a compiler. Qt doesn't fit into that vision.
That's not to say Qt isn't an excellent cross-platform toolkit. And with a theme that reflects the native webOS UI, it would certainly have some utility for PDK developers. To be sure, HP needs as many webOS developers as it can get right now, and adopting Qt in some fashion may help facilitate that. However, it seems unlikely that HP would undermine the foundations of webOS to pursue that goal.
To everyone complaining about HP/Palm's unfulfilled promises:
I feel your pain, and it's only quelled by the offerings of the homebrew community like overlocking. My hardware is falling apart, and the whole waiting game has been very frustrating.
While I'm disappointed that I won't be getting webOS 2 or Flash on my Pre Minus, I'm not so angry as to abandon the platform. You're all well within your right to do so, but I think you'll find that the grass really isn't all that much greener on other platforms. They all have their frustrations and quirks; trading one for the other doesn't necessarily get you any further ahead.
@Anonymous (10:44 AM):
It's certainly true that all platforms have their quirks. But the sad fact is that WebOS is really starved for software. That situation doesn't exist on numerous other platforms. It's not so much Flash as everything else that WebOS should have by now.
Ari... I love your attitude. I'm a non-professional fan but your words really make me get into the WebOS world fiercely. I want to become a developer just to be able to get applications done in WebOS.
I'm looking forward to a better future for WebOS and only people like you can make it happen who are not only worrying about keeping this great system alive but are also worried about encouraging others to do the same.
Hi Ari,
Good to see you're fighting the good fight at Palm Inc.
I remember it was you who sorted out through the layers of incompetence and bureaucracy at the local Nokia subsidiary to help me with the Nokia N800 review.
Good luck at Palm. WebOS is nice, I only wish Palm allowed the addition of the Java OpenJDK virtual machine, allowing the Palm/HP devices to also use the thousands of existing Java SE and J2ME apps already on the market...
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